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mydeacs

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Importing From Europe (Zib)
« on: November 05, 2012, 05:11:38 PM »
I called the Brimingham deact place and they were pretty hopeless really, but between watching Pipkins and eating onion sandwiches they told me that German certificates were not valid in the UK. I said but they are better than the UKs and so he asked his mate didnt he, oi, are German certs ok? nah mate said his mate, and he told me, nah mate, their no good.

I asked him if he knew who the king of Europe was but he didnt know and nor did his mate, so thats that.

I mean, I guess taking heads out of bootoms and saying something intelligent in reference to:

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European Weapons Directive 91/477 EEC Annex III (a): For the purposes of this Annex objects which corresponds to the definition of a 'firearm' shall not be included in that definition if they: (a) have been rendered permanently unfit for use by the application of technical procedures which are guaranteed by an official body or recognised by such a body.

Was not in order.

Nor was considering the declared statement that Germin Demilling includes:

Barrel drilled six times, steel pin in barrel, bullet chamber welded, trigger mechnism blocked, bolt head cut 45 degrees and firing pin channel welded.

etc etc.

Just a big fat nah mate.

Im so glad I got out of bed today. Im also glad i voted for the EU. Makes it all worth while knowing totally welded up SMG's are not entering out blessed country where everyone is happy all the time.

I tried calling the London proof house but they had their phone disconnected in 1834 apparently and i'd have to dispatch a courier or messenger or maybe put an add in the London Gazzette. Id sooner try my luck with Sherlock Holmes to be honest.

Anyway, I then dispatched a legal electronic communication to Ryton Arms that informed me that ordering anything from Zib would require huge wads of paper to be filled out as the guns would still be classified as guns until they were determined to be huge lumps of scrap metal, not that this has any bearing what with us not being in the EU or sending them huge tributes each year so they can doze about in a huge fart factory in brussels or some marshy hollow.

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European Weapons Directive 91/477 EEC Annex III (a): For the purposes of this Annex objects which corresponds to the definition of a 'firearm' shall not be included in that definition if they: (a) have been rendered permanently unfit for use by the application of technical procedures which are guaranteed by an official body or recognised by such a body.

Is it me, or does this indicate that through out Europe a firearm rendered unfit for use accordingly is no longer a firearm? Maybe im reading it wrong.

As a note, Ryton say they can deactivated a German spec deac for £60 and get a certificate from the boys from the black stuff ooop north or whereever Birmingham is but i would still have to deal with the paper work as govt officials faff around trying to determine if its a real gun or not and if they have cracked an illicit guns factory ordering scrap metal from Europe and converting it into whatnot etc, taking months and months to do it like whats the point of having certificates in the first place, might as well not have MOT tests or certificates either, not that we do now that they are electronic, but you know what i mean, i mean, why bother if your not going to accept the certificate and insist on having Moriarty carry out microscopic forensic investigation for this and that when the certificate should mean that it doesnt even have to come off the wall, much to the delight of spiders, dust mites and all other microrganisms making apeaceful home on wall hanging ornamanets and all that.

I hope Obama looses the election.

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Re: Importing From Europe (Zib)
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 05:54:21 PM »
I have officially contacted the home office as instructed by customs excise in relation to the changing of guidance in relation to Directive 91/477 which i think should make german demill certs valid for the UK.

Im so excited, im sure they'll be shocked to find out we joined the EU in hte 1970s and are required to accept laws from belgium instean of London.

Then im going to by a Sokac, deactivated MP, version 1

http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/10064%5B2%5D

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Re: Importing From Europe (Zib)
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 06:06:21 PM »
Of course, what with our great govt being so efficient i get an instant responce from ilb@bis.gsi.gov.uk

The responce says A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: ilb@bis.gsi.gov.uk

Obviously im doing everythign right so my import licence is probably already in the post.

im so excited i could smile.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 06:08:38 PM by mydeacs »

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Re: Importing From Europe (Zib)
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 03:44:39 PM »
Dear Mr Deactivated Gun

 

As you may know, section 8 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 provides that, unless it can be shown otherwise, a firearm which has been deactivated to a standard approved by the Secretary of State so that it is incapable of discharging any shot, bullet or other missile, is presumed not to be a firearm within the meaning of the Firearms Act 1968 and therefore is not subject to control if it bears the mark approved by the Secretary of State for denoting that fact.  The 1988 Act requires that one of the Proof Houses or some other person approved by the Secretary of State has marked the firearm and certified in writing (provided a certificate) that it has been deactivated to the approved standard.

 

The Weapons Directive 91/477 sets out certain minimum conditions for the circulation of civil firearms inside the European Union (EU) territory and applies to products that are firearms or have the appearance of a firearm and can be converted to expel a shot, bullet or projectile by the action of a combustible propellant.   The UK were very much to the fore in the negotiations on the Protocol and the revised Directive and would  welcome tougher standards across Europe. 

 

The English Proof Houses are members of the Commission for International Proof (CIP)  and have strict requirements for  their deactivation standards, therefore an import licence is not required to import a firearm if it has been stamped by and has a deactivation certificate issued by a UK Proof House.  The CIP is currently looking at the current deactivation standards among members, aiming to agree whether a particular minimum standard should be adopted and used across EU Member States.

 

To ensure that you remain within the law, may I suggest that you consider seeking the assistance of a Registered Firearms Dealer (RFD).  Your local police firearms licensing department will have a list of local RFD holders who, at a charge will assist with importing  and arranging the deactivation  to UK standards and to obtain further information on importing weapons into the UK please contact the Department for Enterprise and Skills (BIS) at:   enquiries.ilb@bis.gsi.gov.uk

 

I hope this is of assistance

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Re: Importing From Europe (Zib)
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 03:45:58 PM »
I cant wait for tougher standards. wouldnt expect the govt to ever veer away from tougher dstricter controls on anything.

I cant wait until you need a certificate for an erection.

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Re: Importing From Europe (Zib)
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 03:49:29 PM »
I also think the govt should tax sunshine as its quite limited in this country and obviously cancerous like cigarettes. We could be fitted with biometric sunshine meters and pay a tribute to the govt accordingly.

i never go out so id probably not be affected. but cows and sheep would be facing financial hardship for sure for which they'll need a new agrictultural benefit, especially as more of them become unemployed as food becomes illegal

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